Saturday 17 April 2021

A short reply to Jesus' long letter


Dear Jesus,

most of what you say is faultless. In particular, I fully agree that, contrary to what trinitarians, subordinationists and arians say, you only came to exist when you were conceived in the blessed womb of virgin Mary. You call John, who wrote the Gospel known by the same name, your "friend". Well, then, a real friend does not distort the words of a friend. You say that John wrote that "there was something [sic] in the beginning which was with God and which was God, and it was through this that God made all things". Actually, John says something quite specific, because he calls this "something" logos. You correctly cite John 1:1-3, where the word "word" (Greek: logos; Hebrew dabar; Aramaic memra) appears tree times just in verse 1. But, for some peculiar reason you omit entirely to mention John 1:14, where it is said that "the Word became flesh" (ho logos sarx egeneto). As for the casual way with which you would equate "word" (logos/dabar) and "wisdom" (sophia/chokhmah) ("Of course I’m talking about God’s word, or in other words, his wisdom"; "It was that wisdom which much later as it were came down to earth and was available in my teaching and in my example"), I believe it would be safer, less compromizing for you to leave that stuff to professional theologians. 

In the meantime, I believe you may profit from reading the thoughts appended to the “Christian-Muslim debate/discussion, December 12 in Melbourne” of November 25, 2014 at blog trinities.org, which you obviously did not notice, or did not fully appreciate.

Forever yours,

Mario

P.S. Thank goodness, in his glorified state, Jesus is omiscient, so, even if, in the meantime DT has removed the thoughts appended to the “Christian-Muslim debate/discussion, December 12 in Melbourne” of November 25, 2014, that shouldn’t be a problem for him …

Note to whoever it may concern

The above Letter to Jesus is copied from the thoughts appended to the blog A letter from the Lord Jesus: About God and Me (Revised), at trinities.org, under Creative Commons License: Attribution-NonCommercial-NoDerivatives 4.0 International (CC BY-NC-ND 4.0). (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-nd/4.0/)

Note on the P.S

Fortunately I had saved the summary and substance of some comments that, under my name Mario, were appended by me to the post Christian-Muslim debate/discussion, December 12 in Melbourne @ the trinities.org blog in my post Logos-Conception Christology of 10 April 20121.

Saturday 10 April 2021

Logos-Conception Christology

The birth of Jesus from God's Logos in Mary
 
 

The present post is the summary and substance of some comments that, under my name Mario, were appended by me to the post Christian-Muslim debate/discussion, December 12 in Melbourne @ the trinities.org blog. 

The question that is explored here is not primarily to do with the Christian-Muslim debate but rather this: what does "Son of God" mean? What, in particular, when it is referred to Jesus Christ?

We may answer, easily enough, that in the cultural milieu of 1st century Judaism, it was a metaphor, with many sides and layers, but ultimately a metaphor, certainly not a crude literal notion, like the strawman that Mohammed built, including sexual implications like, say, in earlier Greek mythology, Apollo was the son of Zeus and Leto, or Heracles was the son of Zeus and Alcmene

But things are not as simple as that. Certainly “Son of God”, in 1st century Judaism, was a metaphor, with many facets. The predominant one, in the way it is used in the NT (and in particular the Gospels), is that of the Messiah, but we cannot ignore that, on the one side, we have the Nativity Accounts in Matthew and Luke (see, in particular, Matt 1:18 and Luke 1:35), and, on the other side, in John we have the Prologue to the Gospel, with its notion of God’s Logos (John 1:1), which (which logos …), at some point, becomes incarnated (Grk sarx egenetoJohn 1:14).

A critical question then, is this: can the Nativity Accounts in Matthew and Luke and the Incarnation of God’s Logos in John be seen as two sides of the same account, without dismissing the former as “mythological” and without resorting to the notion of “pre-existent (or even eternal) person” for the latter?

My answer is a loud YES: the Virgin Conception is the “outer” and miraculous aspect of the “inner” mystery: the Incarnation, with the caveat, though - contra Arians and Trinitarians - that the person of the Son of God, Jesus, was generated precisely at the conception.

Questions & Answers 

[Q] Has anybody ever proposed a position equal (or similar) to mine?
[A] The Catholic theologian Raymond E. Brown has spoken of “conception christology” (as opposed to “pre-existence christology”) in Matthew and Luke. But I believe that nobody has ever proposed to see the Nativity Accounts in Matthew and Luke and the Incarnation of God’s Logos in John as "two sides of the same account”, as I have. Let me refer to it, from now on, as “logos-conception christology” (LCC).

[Q] May Socinian Unitarians be interested in LCC?
[A] If Socinian Unitarians accept the virgin conception as literal (IOW if they subscribe to “conception christology”), they are half way there. No Socinian Unitarian, though, to my knowledge, has ever considered the Incarnation of God’s Logos as the “complementary side” of “conception christology”. Maybe some will, but they have to come to terms with the logos as an essential attribute of God, first …

[Q] May Muslims be interested in LCC?
[A] They could, and it would certainly defuse “Mohammed’s strawman”. Also, in the Quran, unbeknown to most Christians, Jesus is spoken of as "a Word from Him [Allah]" (surah 3, ayah 45) and "His Word, which He bestowed on Mary" (surah 4, ayah 171). Reasonably, though, Muslims may only begin to consider seriously LCC after Islam has undergone a process of criticism substantially similar to the one Christianity has experienced over the last 250 years. Hopefully faster …

[Q] May traditional “orthodox” Christians (i.e. “trinitarians”) be interested in LCC?
[A] I believe NOT. The reasons are so obvious that it is not necessary to expand on them.

[Q] May “liberal” Christians be interested in LCC?
[A] No. In fact even less, if possible, than traditional “orthodox” Christians. The reason is quite simple. For them, there is no (strong or even weak) creedal statement of Christianity left. Everything is fluid, everything is metaphor. Everything is, ultimately, subjective.

[Q] May Jews be interested in LCC?
[A] Apart from the variety of positions within modern Judaism (in alphabetical order: Alternative, Classical Reform, Conservative, Humanistic, Haymanot, Karaite, Liberal, Orthodox, Progressive, Reconstructionist, Reform, Renewal, Traditional – perhaps I have left some out), obviously, the first stumbling block is the very objection to Jesus as the Messiah. IF they accept Jesus as the Messiah AND (unlike most “Messianic Jews”, who often are nothing but “evangelicals in disguise”) they refuse the “trinity”, THEN, of course, LCC should be of interest for them.

[Q] How does the LCC fare vis a vis Christian Creeds?
[A] LCC is a strong re-affirmation of genuine Christian Creed, however minimal. I firmly believe that LCC is entirely compatible not only with the Apostles’ Creed (more appropriately: the Old Roman Symbol – 2nd century), but also with the Nicene Creed of 325 AD, before is was distorted by the additions of Canstantinople in 381 AD, thanks to the Cappadocian scoundrels. The LCC is obviously incompatible with the s.c. “Athanasian Creed.

[Q] How does the LCC fare vis a vis the Christian Scriptures?
[A] I believe that LCC is the only Christology that is perfectly compatible with the Christian Scriptures, and, in particular, with the NT, without requiring arbitrary and/or biased assumptions: first and foremost, “pre-existence.

More about Raymond E. Brown (May 22, 1928 – August 8, 1998)

I believe that it was Raymond E. Brown, the prominent biblical scholar and theologian, who coined the expression “conception Christology”, then shied away from it and, instead of seeing it as complementary of “Logos Christology”, ended up espousing “pre-existence Christology", which is obviously entailed by the doctrine of the "trinity".

This is what he writes:

“Matt[hew] and Luke in different infancy stories affirm that already by conception in the womb of Mary Jesus was not only Son of David but also ‘God with us’ and God’s Son. That was and is true. The formulations of conception christology are problematic only when, by ways of restriction, Christians might think that God’s Son became or began his existence when divine power overshadowed Mary and the Holy Spirit came upon her, so that she conceived without human intervention. Without showing cognizance of the problem, various other NT writings prevent such a misunderstanding by portraying Jesus as present at certain key moments in the OT history of God’s people (the times of Moses and Abraham), or as the one through whom all things were created, or as an entity with God who entered flesh (incarnation), or as the Word spoken by God before the act of creation – the various forms of preexistence christology. All these formulations were and remain true …” (Raymond E. Brown, An Introduction to New Testament Christology, 1994, pp. 144-5)

And here are the questions that I would love to be (have been) able to ask him directly.

Why would “conception christology”, that Brown rightly attributes to Matthew and Luke as the ONLY christology that they wanted to express, be referred to as “problematic”? Why “problematic”? Because Mary "conceived without human intervention"? But that is exactly the implication of the Angel Gabriel's answer (Lk 1:35) to Mary's immediately prior question (Lk 1:34)!

Why should seeing God’s intervention in the womb of the Virgin Mary by His Holy Spirit as His way of bringing about His Son be seen as a “restriction”? Why not see it as the concrete explanation of the words "the Word became flesh" (Jhn 1:14)?

Why does Brown assume that “various other NT writings” (presumably Paul’s, John’s and Hebrews) would have considered “conception christology” (as opposed to “preexistence christology”) a “misunderstanding”?

Why resort to the scripturally unwarranted gambit of assuming that it was the “preincarnated Jesus”, rather than YHWH (or the malakh YHWH - "messenger of YHWH" - on YHWH's behalf), who interacted with Abraham and Moses? Or that YHWH would have resorted to an unscriptural “preincarnated Jesus” "as the one through whom all things were created"? Or that God (actually, a “person” thereof, unless one adopts Sabellianism) would have “become flesh”? Or that God’s Word, before the Incarnation was a person-of-god, rather than an essential attribute of God?

I am a great admirer of Raymond E Brown’s freedom and independence of inquiry, but I suspect that, sadly, in his later years he lost his intellectual integrity and lapsed into the most trite and embarrassing loci of “orthodox” traditionalism.